LinuxWolf: I don't mind users being clueless *as such*, what I mind is when they try to do something "clever" on my network and disrupt service for everyone else and I have to clean up the mess! juhl:  *nod* LinuxWolf: if you don't know what you are doing you should ask the admin *before* you try doing it!!! *that* would prevent a LOT of problems juhl: why not just nail a towel and a bottle of water to your front door RichiH: what would that accomplish ? as soon as you whip the first imbecible to death with your wet towel, word will spread around the ranks of morons RichiH: heh - I'll have to try that